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SHUTDOWN: Hundreds of thousands to go without pay as federal government loses funding for first time in 17 YEARS. Lawmakers fail to pass budget after Democrats refused to alter Obamacare



The U.S. government began to shut down for the first time in 17 years early Tuesday, after a Congress bitterly divided over President Obama’s signature health-care initiative failed to reach agreement to fund federal agencies.


Hours before a midnight deadline, the Republican House passed its third proposal in two weeks to fund the government for a matter of weeks. Like the previous plans, the new one sought to undermine the Affordable Care Act, this time by delaying enforcement of the “individual mandate,” a cornerstone of the law that requires all Americans to obtain health insurance.




The new measure also sought to strip lawmakers and their aides of long-standing government health benefits.


The Democratic-led Senate quickly rejected that plan on a party-line vote. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) urged House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) to abandon the assault on the health-care law and pass a simple bill to keep the government open. Otherwise, Reid warned, “the responsibility for this Republican government shutdown will rest squarely on his shoulders.”


Boehner refused to yield. He instead won approval, in a 1 a.m. largely party-line roll call, requesting a special House-Senate committee to meet in the coming days to resolve differences between the two parties, leaving in limbo the fate of millions of federal workers and the services they provide.




John Boehner


Shortly before midnight, the White House budget office issued a memo instructing agencies to “execute plans for an orderly shutdown due to the absence of appropriations.”


The impasse means 800,000 federal workers will be furloughed Tuesday. National parks, monuments and museums, as well as most federal offices, will close. Tens of thousands of air-traffic controllers, prison guards and Border Patrol agents will be required to serve without pay. And many congressional hearings — including one scheduled for Tuesday on last month’s Washington Navy Yard shootings — will be postponed.





In a last-minute ray of hope for active-duty troops, Congress on Monday approved and sent to the White House an agreement to keep issuing military paychecks. But Obama warned that the broader economy, which is finally starting to recover from the shocks of the past six years, would take a substantial hit if congressional gridlock shutters “America’s largest employer.”


“Keeping the people’s government open is not a concession to me. Keeping vital services running and hundreds of thousands of Americans on the job is not something you ‘give’ to the other side. It’s our basic responsibility,” Obama said in a statement Monday evening at the White House.





Privately, senior Republicans predicted that the closure would last at least a week. A fraction of today’s House Republicans were on Capitol Hill in 1995 and 1996 when a Republican-led Congress last shut down the government in a dispute over the budget with a Democratic president. Younger lawmakers don’t remember the pain the shutdown caused constituents, senior Republicans said. And many of them now question the conventional wisdom that the closures weakened the GOP presidential candidate in 1996 and nearly cost the party 


Democrats predicted that if the shutdown stretches into the weekend, the government-funding dispute could be rolled into an even more serious battle over the $16.7 trillion federal debt limit. The Treasury Department will begin running short of cash to pay the nation’s bills as soon as Oct. 17 unless Congress approves additional borrowing authority. With so little time remaining to avoid what would be the nation’s first default, Democratic aides predicted that negotiations to reopen the government may be merged into the debt-limit talks.


On Monday evening, Obama telephoned Boehner to urge him to reconsider his stance on the health-care law. In a call that lasted nearly 10 minutes, according to Boehner’s office, the president reiterated his insistence that there would be no negotiations over the debt limit, and that Congress must pay the bills it has incurred.


Boehner responded by mocking Obama in a speech on the House floor.


“ ‘I’m not going to negotiate,’ ” he said, quoting Obama. “I would say to the president: This is not about me. It’s not about Republicans here in Congress. It’s about fairness.”


The speech drew applause for the embattled speaker, who argued passionately that Republicans were merely seeking “fairness” for working people. Obama has delayed a mandate for employers to insure workers and delayed other requirements for big unions, Boehner said. “Yet they stick our constituents with a bill they don’t like and a bill they can’t afford,” he said.


Despite the show of unity, Republicans on both sides of the Capitol remain deeply divided about the attack on the health-care law. In the House, a group of more moderate Republicans was seething about the decision to bow to the forces that oppose the Affordable Care Act, led by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and his allies on the right, including such outside groups as Heritage Action for America.


On Monday, some publicly urged Boehner to drop the issue and seek the help of House Democrats to pass the simple government-funding bill that the Senate approved last week.


“I don’t want to shut down the government,” said Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.), who is trying to become her state’s first GOP senator since the 1950s, adding that she was inclined to support a “clean” funding bill.




Shelly Moore


Frustrations also were simmering among Senate Republicans, who complained that House leaders were pressing the attack in direct opposition to public opinion. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly disapprove of using the threat of a shutdown to defund the health-care law and that blame for a shutdown will fall squarely on Republicans.


“By wanting to repeal Obamacare using this method, it defies what the popular will is,” said Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the 2008 GOP presidential nominee, who campaigned last year on behalf of his party’s national ticket.


“I campaigned in 2012 all over this country for months: ‘Repeal and replace Obamacare.’ That was not the mandate of the voters,” McCain said. “If they wanted to repeal Obamacare, the 2012 election would have been probably significantly different.”




John McCain


Adding to the tension Monday was Boehner’s decision to add the provision that would strip lawmakers, congressional staff members and White House aides of the employer subsidies for health insurance they have received for many years.


Now that lawmakers and their aides must join the new health-insurance exchanges, some conservative groups have criticized the subsidies, worth about $5,000 a year for individual coverage and $10,000 for families, as a “special exemption” from the new law. By including the provision, House leaders hoped to attract conservative support and put pressure on Senate Democrats, who faced the choice of shutting down the government to protect their own perks.


“On what flooding peninsula can you stand when it’s a question of delaying the individual mandate, ending member subsidies and funding the government?” said Rep. Peter Roskam (R-Ill.). If Reid kills it, “the senators he’s going to protect become the subject of incredible scrutiny.”


Even some Republicans were uneasy about the prospect of dealing their aides — and some of their colleagues — the equivalent of a big pay cut. Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) called it an “outrage,” adding that Boehner had worked directly with Reid and the Obama administration to make sure the subsidies would stay in place when congressional employees join the exchanges next year.




Richard Durbin


Boehner and his team presented the proposal to rank-and-file Republicans in a closed-door meeting Monday. For more than an hour and a half, lawmakers argued about the plan. They emerged with an unusual number of public dissenters, including Rep. Peter T. King (N.Y.), one of a dozen Republicans who ultimately voted against the proposal.


“I don’t want to be the facilitator of a disastrous process and plan,” he said.


Still, most Republicans endorsed the deal, even if somewhat reluctantly. “I think this is a principled call by leadership and it has the support of the con­ference,” said Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), one of Boehner’s closest friends.


Democrats, meanwhile, were united against any attempt by Republicans to extract concessions now, especially with the larger fight over the debt limit swiftly approaching.




Charles Schumer


“The bottom line is very simple,” said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.). “You negotiate on this, they will up the ante for the debt limit.”


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  • At midnight the federal government  entered a new fiscal year without a checkbook
  • The Obama administration's Office of Management and Budget has  told federal agencies to 'execute plans for an orderly shutdown due to the  absence of appropriations'
  • Republicans offered three stepwise  concessions while the White House said it wouldn't negotiate and the  Senate  Majority Leader refused to sit down with the GOP, saying they had 'lost their  mind'
  • House leaders in the GOP aimed for both  parties to appoint 'conferees' – negotiators – who could try to find common  ground with the Senate
  • Debate over the federal budget had turned  into a game of ping-pong as the Senate killed each new version as soon as the  House approved it
  • Democrats blamed the GOP for holding back  on government funding unless changes were made to Obamacare
  • President Obama and House Speaker Boehner  broke the communications blackout Monday night with a brief phone call, but it  was for nought



Up to one million U.S. federal workers may  face furloughs without pay beginning Tuesday morning.

All military personnel will continue  in a normal duty status but a large number of civilian employees may be  temporarily furloughed.

The employees who will be put on unpaid leave  are those classified as excepted workers, meaning that the president's  staff of 1,265 at the White House will dwindle to 436.

Staff at National Parks and museums  across the country will be stopped from coming to work, closing those sites to  the public.

Both domestic and international air travel  will remain relatively unchanged as air traffic controllers will be kept at  their posts and TSA agents will continue security checks. One problem  may  arise as the State Department will be understaffed, meaning that  while it will  not stop processing passport applications.

Federal courts will remain open for  about 10 business days. By October 15, the federal judiciary will need to  provide more guidance.

Meat inspectors for the U.S.  Department of Agriculture, considered necessary to national food security, will  stay on job.

That amendment came hours earlier, as the  GOP-led House passed its third  failed attempt at a stopgap budget resolution.  Their legislative  language sought to delay for a year the Obamacare law's  so-called  'individual mandate' that forces Americans to buy health insurance or  pay a penalty.

Earlier in the day, Republicans had  also  sought to close a loophole that subsidizes 75 per cent of the  resulting costs  for members of Congress, their staffers, and White House aides, and to repeal an  unpopular medical device tax.

Twelve Republicans defected from their party  in the 228-201 vote, including a  handful of moderates who have grown weary of  the budget squabbles and  some conservatives who don't believe the House GOP's  position is strict  enough.

As Washington-watchers had  seen twice  already, the Senate quickly 'tabled' – disregarded – the  proposition on a 56-44  party-line tally, leaving a few hours for the  House GOP to start the dance all  over again before the clock strikes  twelve.

House Republicans' strategy has been to make  Senate Democrats look like an  intransigent 'party of "no," forcing them to  either act or face at least part of the blame for the first government shutdown  since the 1995-1996 fiscal year.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a  Kentucky Republican seen as a moderate foil to fire-breathing tea partiers like  Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, said Monday evening after the Senate's third consecutive  dismissal of a House proposal that 'Americans don't want a government shutdown  and they don't want Obamacare. But Senate Democrats have once again blocked a  House-passed bill to keep the government open while protecting Americans from  the consequences of Obamacare.'

'Unfortunately,' he added, 'Senate Democrats  have made it perfectly clear that they’d rather shut down the federal government  than accept even the most reasonable changes to Obamacare. It’s past time that  Democrat leaders listen to the American people and act.'

Spin room: Senator Ted Cruz is one of the top  Republicans pushing for Obamacare to be gutted and pressing to make it a  condition of funding the government

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said 'Americans  don't want a government shutdown and they don't want Obamacare'


Cruz, who spearheaded a marathon  quasi-filibuster last week on the Senate floor marked with absolutist  pitches  for 'no compromise,' seemed to soften that stance Monday  afternoon by hoping  out loud for Senate approval of a watered-down GOP  proposal from the  House.

'If the House of Representatives acts  tonight,' he said, 'I believe this  Senate should come back immediately and pass  ... whatever the House  passes. I don't know what it will be, but it will be yet  another good  faith effort to keep the government running and to address the  train  wreck of a law that is Obamacare.'


President Barack Obama castigated the Republicans on Monday afternoon, saying they aimed to 'extract a  ransom' from  the White House as a condition of continuing to fund his  administration past  midnight, when the federal government's fiscal year  ends.

Maintaining their  leverage by insisting on  changes to the Obamacare law as a condition of  writing a new series of checks,  he said 'would throw a wrench into the  gears of our economy.'


Tourists in the U.S., whether they are  American or not, are likely to be seriously affected by the government  shutdown.

National parks such as Yellowstone and  Yosemite will be closed for as long as  the shutdown continues, with anyone  staying in campsites or on-site  hotels forced to leave within two  days.

World-famous attractions such as the Statue  of Liberty, Philadelphia's Independence  Hall and the Smithsonian Institute will  also be closed to visitors until funding is restored.

Even American military cemeteries outside the  U.S. will be closed, as their operation is funded by the federal  government.

Airports are expected to run as normal, as  immigration, security and air traffic control are all considered to be essential  services which continue to  run no matter what.

Passport offices are supposed to stay open,  but some are located within federal buildings which are otherwise  closed.

Visa applications could also be affected, but  the State Department claims  that as consular services are self-funding they  will be able to continue.


Preparing for the shutdown: The President ran through  the various sections of the federal government that will be forced closed as of  midnight on Monday if a deal is not struck

Rep. Kevin Brady has argued that Obamacare isn't ready  for prime-time, and that a special exemption for members of Congress and their  staffers should be yanked out of the White House's implementation plan because  it wasn't in the written law



'The federal government is America's largest  employer,' Obama reminded  reporters at the White House, cataloging the  categories of civil  servants whose income he said would be threatened by a  government  shutdown if Republicans in the House of Representatives don't 'pass  a  budget and pay America's bills.'

Social Security and Medicare  payments, he  conceded, would continue, and the Postal Service would  still deliver the mail.  Government workers involved with national  security, public safety, air-traffic  control, prisons and border  control, though would find their daily lives  affected.

SAFE: Military servicemen and servicewomen will not see  their paychecks interrupted, thanks to the sole bright spot of cooperation in an  otherwise politically rancorous Monday

Obama said 'their paychecks will be  delayed.'

Office buildings would close, he said, and  services for seniors, veterans, women and children 'would be  hamstrung.'


Obama said military servicemen and  women  wouldn't be affected, a change from earlier in the day. That's  because House  Republicans passed a standalone bill funding Pentagon  salaries regardless of  whether or not other government agencies shut  down at midnight.

And in  contrast with a series of other  unqualified denials, Democratic Senate  Majority Leader Harry Reid declined to  block the legislation.

Senators passed it by unanimous consent, in a  move that didn't require a roll  call vote. Obama signed it into law at about  10:00 p.m.

'They weren't going to stand in the way of  soldiers' paychecks,' a senior  aide to a Republican senator told MailOnline,  speaking on condition of  anonymity. 'Harry Reid wasn't about to commit  political suicide today.'

As the president took the podium, the White  House's Office of Management and Budget issued a statement saying that '[b]y including extraneous measures that  have no place in a government funding bill and that the President and Senate  already made clear are unacceptable, House Republicans are pushing the  Government toward shutdown.'

If  a GOP-amended budget reached the president's desk, OMB said, 'he would veto the  bill.' 

'It does not have to  happen,' Obama scolded.  'All of this is entirely preventable if the  House chooses to do what the Senate  has already done, and that's the  simple act of funding our government without  making extraneous and  controversial demands in the process.'

'One faction of one party in one  house of  Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down  the entire  government just to re-fight the results of the election.' he  said.

Not happy: President Obama said he will not negotiate  over Congress' obligation to approve payment of obligations the government has  already approved


Dog and pony show: The President met with his Cabinet on  Monday in preparation for the seemingly inevitable shutdown


He saved special scorn for the right wing of  the GOP, whose tea party  House caucus has held moderates in line by refusing to  back what Senate  Democrats have called a 'clean' spending resolution – one that  doesn't  involve changes to the Affordable Care Act, Obama's signature health  insurance overhaul law.


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid accused Republicans in  the House of being crazy, slamming them for presenting proposal after proposal  even though Senate Democrats have promised to kill each one until proposed  changes to Obamacare are removed


The federal government has shut down 17 times  since the end of the Gerald Ford presidency – many  of them when Democrats  in Congress strong-armed Republican President Ronald Reagan – but the 24-hour  news cycle and online social media have made this year's budget brinksmanship  especially toxic.

Club For Growth, an influential conservative  political group, immediately renewed its call for House members to support  Republicans' plan instead.

After several successive drafts interrupted  by a 2:30 p.m. rejection from the Senate, the GOP's proposal sought a one-year  delay in the Obamacare law's 'individual mandate' to buy health insurance, and a  measure forcing members of Congress and their staffs to forgo insurance  subsidies that ordinary taxpayers won't receive.

Earlier in the day, Republicans dispensed  with plans to demand a one-year implementation delay in the entire Obamacare  law, along with the repeal of a new 2.3 per cent medical device tax.

Senate Democrats said Monday afternoon that  they wouldn't support that tax repeal, although a similar measure won the  backing of 79 out of 100 senators earlier this year.

The federal government has shut down over legislative  squabbles 17 times since the early 1970s, about once every 29 months

Ebullient: Sen. Mikulski, a Maryland Democrat, rejoiced  that her party had killed a 'radical bill' from House Republicans that 'was  deliberately designed to be politically provocative'



Tea party partisans  on the Republican  Party's right wing had said since before the Obamacare law passed Supreme Court  muster that it will have unintended negative  consequences on the economy, and  that it's an unconstitutional attempt  to force Americans to buy a service –  health insurance – that they may  not want.


Obama recorded a video message on Monday  evening for U.S. military men and women. It was broadcast on Armed Forces  Television at midnight:

  • 'Unfortunately, Congress has not fulfilled  its responsibility, It has failed to pass a budget and, as a result, much of our  government must now shut down until Congress funds it again.'
  • 'Those of you in uniform will remain on your  normal duty status. The threats to our national security have not changed, and  we need you to be ready for any contingency. ... Congress has passed, and I am  signing into law, legislation to make sure you get your paychecks on  time.'
  • 'To all our DOD civilians: I know the days  ahead could mean more uncertainty, including possible furloughs. And I know this  comes on top of the furloughs that many of you already endured this  summer.  You and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we’re  seeing in Congress.  Your talents and dedication help keep our military the  best in the world.  That’s why I’ll keep working to get Congress to reopen  our government and get you back to work as soon as  possible.'

Jenny Beth Martin, National  Coordinator for  the Tea Party Patriots, said Monday in an emphatic  statement that members of  Congress should 'do your duty and protect the  American public from this  catastrophic law! ... Obamacare is not ready!  Big labor, big government, and  big business all know this and have  already asked for exemption from this  disaster.'

'You are the duly elected Representatives let  the Senate know that a delay of the entire law is absolutely necessary, and  fair.'

Obama also assured  Americans on Monday that  no matter what happens, a government shutdown won't  affect the planned Oct. 1  rollout of Obamacare's state-level health  insurance exchanges.

'You can't shut it down,' he said, claiming  that the law is 'already providing benefits to millions of  Americans.'

'You don't get to extract a ransom just for  doing your job.'

Senate Democrats have maintained that their  Republican counterparts in the House are radicals, bent on forcing the White  House into a needless surrender on a health insurance law that has been passed  on party-line votes and approved by the Supreme Court.

'We have just tabled the radical bill that  the House sent over to us. It was deliberately designed to be politically  provocative,' Maryland Democratic Sen. Barbara Mikulski said in a statement.  'Continuing Resolutions have always been about disputes over money. They were  not about political, ideological viewpoints over past legislation.' 

President Obama slammed the GOP for holding the budget  for 'ransom' by sticking to its guns on Obamacare

Tea Party Patriots coordinator Jenny Beth Martin urged  Republicans to stand their ground. A 'delay of the entire law is absolutely  necessary, and fair,' she said. 'Anything less is unacceptable!'



Stocks sank Monday as Wall Street  worried  that a budget fight in Washington could lead to an event far  worse for the  economy –  a failure to raise the nation's borrowing limit.

Investors pulled back from stocks as a budget  fight in Congress threatened to  push the government into a partial shutdown for  the first time in 17  years Lawmakers have until midnight Tuesday to reach a  budget deal that  would keep government in full operation.

The Dow Jones industrial average fell 129  points, or 0.8 percent, to close  at 15,129.67. The Standard & Poor's 500  slid 10 points, or 0.6  percent, to 1,681.55 and the Nasdaq composite dropped 10  points, or 0.3  percent, to 3,771.48

But most House Republicans stuck to their  guns, even as some news reports depicted a GOP in turmoil with a group of  moderates encouraging conservatives to give up their fight.

'Senate Democrats have a clear choice:  Protect special treatment for themselves and the politically connected, or shut  down the government,' Texas Republican Rep. Kevin Brady said. 'I hope they put  America’s middle class ahead of their own privileged class.

'Obamacare isn’t ready for families, patients  and workers,' he claimed. 'Why don’t they get the same one-year waiver others  have gotten? I hope the Senate doesn’t protect the politically connected and  needlessly shut down the government.'

Brady's statement said the White House has  acknowledged a host of implementation problems with the Affordable Care Act  which could be fixed given a year-long delay.

As he has in recent weeks, Obama emphasized  the value of low-cost health insurance plans, without noting that those  policies' high deductibles can make a patient's out-of-pocket medical costs  dwarf the policy's official price tag.

The president said Republicans were  'sacrific[ing] the health care of millions of Americans' by refusing to endorse  the plan advanced by Senate Democrats.

He also hinted at his preference for a  long-term solution, instead of stopgap measures that some Republicans have  suggested publicly.

'Does anybody truly believe we won't have  this fight again in a few more months?' Obama asked. 'Even at  Christmas?'


What will happen during the  shutdown? All non-essential  government services will close and their staff put on  unpaid leave. More than  80 per cent of staff at bodies such as Nasa and  the Environmental Protection  Agency will be 'furloughed', but courts,  the military and veterans' affairs  will remain functioning almost as  normal. National parks and government-funded  museums such as the  Smithsonian will be closed. Social Security pension  payments and the  'Obamacare' health reforms will not be affected, because they  are funded separately.

What happens next? Democrats and  Republicans will return to the negotiating table - but since  neither side has  been willing to compromise so far, it is hard to  predict when they will reach  an agreement. The White House insists it  will not accept any delay to the  implementation of Obamacare, the  President's main legislative achievement,  which tea party Republicans  virulently oppose. The last shutdown, in 1996,  lasted 21 days - this one could be much shorter, or it could be even  longer.

What is the economic effect? The shutdown is predicted to cost the American economy more than $1billion a day,  according to Goldman Sachs, thanks to the drop in output caused by federal  workers staying at home, and the loss of tourism.



4 HOURS Before Government Shutdown {VIDEO} House Vote Edges Nation To Brink + OBAMA speech

The House pushed ahead Monday night with yet another bill to fund government that seemed destined to fail, inching the U.S. government closer to a shutdown.

House Speaker John Boehner's latest proposal to fund the government would chip away at Obamacare by delaying the individual mandate and barring the federal government from contributing to the health insurance of the president, lawmakers and staffers.

It nearly collapsed over a procedural vote after moderate Republicans and far-right members of the GOP both complained about the bill, but Boehner (R-Ohio) was able to keep most of his caucus in line, passing the "rule" to consider the measure 225 to 204. Six Republicans opposed the rule.

It is the second attempt by House Republicans in less than three days to tie funding for the government to Obamacare, even though President Barack Obama and leaders of the Democratic-controlled Senate have said they would reject any riders related to the health care law.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) did so again Monday, saying the Senate will take up the House bill and strip the anti-Obamacare riders in less than 30 minutes. The Senate did so earlier in the day to the previous House bill.

Boehner still must pass his underlying bill, and the vote was expected around 9 p.m..

Boehner's latest gambit ran into opposition from both the right and the left. Moderate Republicans balked, saying they did not want to risk a shutdown. Conservatives complained that his measure didn't go nearly far enough to destroy Obamacare. Democrats remained nearly united against tinkering with the Affordable Care Act.

Republicans who opposed the rule from the right were Reps. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Steve King (Iowa) and Paul Broun (Ga.). Moderate opponents were Reps. Peter King (N.Y.), and Charlie Dent (Pa.).

Regardless of the success or failure of the latest House plan, Congress could still act in time to keep federal operations running if Boehner brings the Senate bill up for a vote on the House floor. Some of the same Republicans who opposed the latest anti-Obamacare offering would also back the so-called "clean" continuing resolution.

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Comment by MC SMILEY on October 8, 2013 at 4:59am
Comment by kcrunchone on October 3, 2013 at 9:26pm

The first thing that should be affected by a shutdown is the fact that they dont get paid and they should receive some form of fines on a daily basis. If I can be struck by the Taylor-Law then why is it not fair the people we put in office that are not doing their jobs be punished for just that NOT DOING THEIR DAMN WORK. Disrupting the Nation not just some little silly argument but disrupting the financial stability. I see this as a method to reduce the fact the what Obama did to pull the country out of the recession strikeback. Many do not agree with me but they want his terms in office to be the shittiest on record. Even though we know the Bush era started the spiraling downfall, they know how to call a spade a spade and they are showing the world that by what they are doing. If you see this as anything else but that you are a fool, hypocritical and naive.

Comment by Ruff de Gehto Travler on October 1, 2013 at 3:32pm

@mrfix I can't did we have the same teachers growing up!!! LMAO

and yes there are a lot of things in the care plan that just don't make sense to me but hell the regular health plan from Blue cross made little sense to me !!! So who Knows!!!

@TIG working three and still figuring out how it gets done to ratted but Jah Is good!!! mostly be here on my first job have to watch cameras all day!!!! and people and guards !!!! Then off to the other well you know!!! LMAO Thinking about cutting the radio tho!!!! IDK me say that now but be there sunday as usual!!! LMAO

Comment by mr fix on October 1, 2013 at 3:20pm

The government is not operating properly too much blame game too much finger pointing i see no professionalism here its a shame this president will have no legacy worth while talking about. Anyone who read the Obama health care policies and understand what they are reading would not want it because it as quit a few problems but Black people don't want to read they want others to it for them this is why as a people we always get screwed  in the end. They have a saying if you want to hide something from negro's put it in a book. Read for your self stop commenting on things you know nothing about the news is full of s*** it's all a game.

Comment by Ruff de Gehto Travler on October 1, 2013 at 2:11pm

@TIG How do you do it manage your own business,care for kids,keep ya house hold afloat, find news for us to stay current!!! Hell I am tired just thinking all of what you do to ratted give thanks for the info tho!!!

Comment by Ruff de Gehto Travler on October 1, 2013 at 8:18am

This is shameful!!!! Really a blight on his presidency!!! Maddness !!

Comment by evolution on October 1, 2013 at 12:30am

Hate is a m***********!!!!

Comment by April on September 30, 2013 at 11:44pm
The whole world is watching us. PRAY
Comment by Steveon Williams on September 30, 2013 at 9:51pm

It's all about race...  has nothing to do with healthcare reform or anything else they're supposedly complaining about.  It's the fact that the president is black...  Remember, back in 2008, they said there were not going to agree on anything BO puts out there...  Look how far they're willing to go...


It's a shame

Comment by evolution on September 30, 2013 at 9:40pm

If these people/republicunts shut down the government China should call in it loan and other countries holding US debts with in 24hrs.Only country in the industrialized world where people don't really get 4weeks paid Holliday.

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