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Many Africans don’t have water, so why are black people doing the Ice Bucket Challenge?

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Andre Hatchett is into supporting black-owned businesses.  He’s the founder of BuyBlackNYC.com and has been a leading advocate for black wealth building and finding businesses owned by people of color.  He’s also got a lot of energy and seems to apply it to all the right things.

Hatchett is concerned about the recent spike in African Americans who are doing the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, when the disease impacts mostly white men.  Not to say that the lives of these white men don’t matter, but black men are dying faster than anyone, and black women need our help just as much.

Another concern that Andre has is that while we are throwing water over our heads for fun, there are 800 million people around the globe (many of them Africans) who don’t have access to clean water.  When Matt Damon did the Ice Bucket challenge with toilet water, he did so to bring awareness to all of those people who are dying because they can’t get clean water.  In fact, Damon says that the water in his toilet is cleaner than the drinking water that most people get to use around the world for their families.

Andre is supporting another option for African Americans, called The Black Business Challenge. Andre says that if African Americans are to get behind a challenge, it should be one that focuses on solving some of the critical problems that exist within our community.

So, for 30 days, Andre is asking that all of those who support the challenge go into a black-owned business and take a camera phone video for at least one minute. I hope others will support his challenge, since we need to build, invest in and support black-owned businesses. Check it out.                                

 

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Comment by mr1stroke on August 31, 2014 at 10:18pm

@sexxy_essence its not that other countries want to keep them down the Bible explains it some people are cursed others will have to go to rough time in other to rise and majority of them their faith will be tested if they are strong they will stand the test of time and rise if not they will stay down among them all many will stay poor do to their own evil, Africa for instance the killing of their own people you see with all the wealth they will rather cut another's arm instead of owning those resources and create jobs, so life have to be balance here in America with all that money homeless and poverty is at its high, the only thing here you can survive if you want to, so its just like black people no matter how much you help they wont go forward if they dont want to, and again the bible dont lie 

Comment by sexxy_essence on August 31, 2014 at 9:49pm
In all honesty , since I was a small child an could understand the poverty in Africa an watched all those infomercials send 33 cents a day to feed this child an there fam, I realize as an adult that no matter how much we try to help certain countries they will always be in poverty an I don't think by choice. If other countries cared soooooo much wouldn't they help from time??? But I think they want to keep them in poverty . its all politics . I'm not saying this is no reason to try an help but the bigger picture is certain countries want to keep those poverty ridden countries where they are. Only the strong survive. Sadly.
Comment by mr1stroke on August 31, 2014 at 8:55pm

@Lucky Hall that woman you talking about has low self esteem and that guy she married is what we call a n***** some one who rather live to show off than progressing we have more of that in the community and just a few who wants to grow that is why we are in the situation we are its real those same people will never rise it was written in the bible even if you help them they will betray you and they will fall

Comment by rashid rourk on August 31, 2014 at 2:17pm
"The Shower" image above appears on this NYCHS site as part of a "virtual tour" of the 13 photos and illustrations forming the montage card promoting Ron Arons' lecture at Temple Emanu-El, Manhattan, about The Jews of Sing Sing

Clicking the image accesses "The Shower" web page of the virtual tour series. The page includes some historical data about the device

Comment by rashid rourk on August 31, 2014 at 2:16pm
"Shower bath at Sing Sing,
circa. 1869."

That's the caption accompanying the above image in the NYCHS extended excerpts presentation of Correctional Association of NY's 150th anniversary history authored by Ilan K. Reich.

Clicking the image accesses the web page on which the illustration appears with an account of the association's campaign to do

"Away with the ... lash, shower-bath, yoke, buck, hooks, and the whole array of degrading and torturing devices, in which the perverse ingenuity of man has been so fertile. Let them go to swell the rubbish of buried barbarisms."

Comment by rashid rourk on August 31, 2014 at 2:14pm
Was Fatal NYS Prison 'Shower Bath' Punishment
Example of Waterboarding 1858 Style?

The fall 2007 U. S. Senate confirmation hearings on the nomination of Judge Michael B. Mukasey to become the Attorney General focused considerable attention on the issue of waterboarding as an interrogation technique against suspected terrorists.

 

Ensuing public discussions in the media – newsprint, radio, TV, the Internet -- included a few brief allusions to the “shower baths” in vogue at some prisons in this country during the 19th Century.

 

The use, abuse and eventual banning of the so-called “shower bath” as a disciplinary practice at New York State penitentiaries has been detailed in both images and texts displayed for several years on this New York Correction History Society (NYCHS) web site.

 

NYCHS has now added to its texts and images about “shower baths” an illustrated 1858 article about the death of an Auburn inmate as a result of undergoing a “shower bath.”

 

This addition was made possible by Bill Hecht who has contributed a long line of high-density digital scans to our web site. Provided to NYCHS by Bill on Nov. 17, 2007, were his page scans of the Harper’s Weekly Dec. 18, 1858 story featuring an illustration entitled “The Negro convict, More, showered to death.”

That illustration, along with the article's illustrations of the prison seen from a distance, of a prisoner's cell (exterior and interior), and of two of the other Auburn disciplinary devices (the pulleys and the crown) are reproduced on this web page in sepia.

 

Although the current controversy concerns the use of “waterboarding” as an interrogation technique against suspected terrorists under exigent circumstances (whereas the mid-19th Century controversy addressed the issue of “shower baths” as disciplinary punishment in prisons holding convicted felons), nevertheless extended excerpts of the 1858 article's text are reproduced below in the interest of providing detailed historical perspectives based on the facts as reported at the time:

 

From 1858 Harper's:

“We need no longer, it seems, travel to China or Japan for illustrations of torture. A visit to our own penitentiaries and prisons will furnish all the horrors that the most curious appetite can desire.

 

“A year ago we published an account of the poor-houses of this State. Our account was derived from the Report of a Legislative Committee. It showed, in brief, that, as a general rule, paupers and other inmates of State benevolent institutions were not properly fed; that they were not adequately protected against the cold; that the sexes herded together promiscuously at night; and that, in many instances, poor wretched idiots, half-starved and ill-clad, had actually frozen to death in their cells in State institutions.

 

“We now present a far more fearful picture of the mismanagement of our public institutions for the confinement and correction of criminals. On 2d inst. a convict named More, imprisoned in the State Prison at Auburn, was showered to death by the prison officials. The circumstances of the case are simply as follows:

         

“The convict, More, was a negro. He is certified to have been a man of naturally pleasant temper, but violent when crossed.

 

“On 1st inst. he was said to have been in a bad humor; he was seen, or is said to have been seen, to sharpen a knife, and to mutter threats against someone; on the strength of which he was, on 2d inst., seized by several keepers or deputy-keepers of the State Prison, and by them dragged toward the shower-bath for punishment . . . . he broke away from them and fled — be it remarked — to the shop where he was in the habit of working. At the door of the shop a convict arrested him;  a keeper and his assistants swiftly followed; he was dragged by main force, and after many violent struggles, to the shower-bath; all the water that was in the tank — amounting to from three to five barrels, the quantity is un certain — was showered upon him in spite of his piteous cries; a few minutes after his release from the bath he fell prostrate, was carried to his cell, and died in five minutes.

 

“It is this homicide which we this week illustrate.

 

“The use of the shower-bath as a means of coercing criminals into submission to the orders of prison authorities began to be general about the year 1845. In that year a convict at the Auburn State Prison was whipped by order of competent authority, and died under the lash.

 

“The public indignation which was aroused by the event led to the abolition of whipping as a punishment in the prisons of the State of New York. It was preserved in other States, as, for instance, in Connecticut, in which State Prison wardens are authorized to this day to administer stripes — not over ten in number — to refractory prisoners.

         

“But in New York the cat was disused, and the shower-bath reigned in its stead. This bath varies in the several penal establishments of this State.

 

“In some the culprit stands, and receives the shower in a standing position. In others, as at Auburn, he sits in a chair which reminds one of the old 'stocks.' His legs and arms are pinioned: his neck fits into a sort of dish, which closes tightly round his throat. As soon as he is fastened therein, a cloth is put into the dish to prevent the water escaping too fast.

 

“The string is then pulled, and the stream falls. If the convict does not keep his head well erect, with his mouth as high above water as his position will allow, he will suffocate. Indeed his attitude and the machine are such that he feels perpetually in imminent danger of suffocation.

 

“The consequence is that his sole thought while he is under the shower is to keep his mouth and nose above water; and the agony of this effort is aggravated by the fact that his neck, feet, and arms are tightly pinioned. Our illustration will enable the reader to judge of the feelings of the culprit who is adjudged to endure this penalty.

          

“Of course, the severity of the shower-bath as a penal method is proportioned to the character of the victim and the season of the year . . .

 

“The negro More, it seems, was subjected to an incessant stream of water at 32 Fahrenheit for half an hour. It is no matter of wonder that he died of it. It is clear that some coercive methods must be employed in prisons to reduce culprits to subordination; though, of course, nothing can justify their being murdered by angry keepers.

 

“We give illustrations of the various methods which are at present employed in the Auburn and other State prisons for the subjugation of refractory convicts.

 

One is the pulley. This instrument of torture consists of a system of pulleys connected with rings, which are attached to the wrists of the culprit and to one of his ankles, so that so long as he is under the process his whole weight rests on one leg; the sensation of having his arms raised above his head becomes after a time excruciatingly painful; and, if the punishment be prolonged, it becomes almost intolerable. . . . . . . .

 

Another penalty used at the Auburn State Prison is the crown.

 

This is a simple helmet of metal, which is worn over the head.

 

It is unattended by pain, and is rather a badge of disgrace than a method of torture.

 

It maybe compared to the fool’s cap which is in use in most of our schools. . . .

 

“[T]he shower-bath has continued to be commonly employed in our prisons, as well at Sing Sing as at Auburn. At the former prison a hose is occasionally substituted for the shower and it has at times been applied so closely to the face of the patient that, simultaneously with the flow of water upon the face, blood has gushed from the nose, ears, and mouths.

 

“At Auburn it is believed the hose has not been used. At the same time it is quite clear that, under certain circumstances, the flow of ice-cold water through tile pores of a shower-bath may prove even more fatal than a flood from a hose. When tile shower is let loose upon a man in a perspiration, as was the case with the negro More, who had just fought might and main with his keepers, the shower of ice-cold water could not but be highly dangerous.

         

“Mr. Pilsbury, the experienced warden of Ward’s Island, who has been upward of thirty years engaged in the administration of prisons in this section of country, has been heard to declare that he has never found it necessary to administer any corporeal punishment whatever to his convicts.

 

“It is believed that he regards the cat, under proper guidance, as the wholesomest instrument of coercion, but he has never needed even that ally and it must be admitted that he has had more experience than any of our prison managers.

         

“The chief error in the management of our State prisons arises from the liberty which subordinates enjoy in the matter of punishments. Subordinate prison officials are appointed on political grounds by Prison Inspectors, themselves creatures of party political conventions. They are seldom men of character, experience, or education. Not infrequently they are jail birds, who have acquired their claim to their appointments by shoulder-hitting.

 

Jerry McAuley.

Clicking the above image accesses our NYCHS site's web page about Jerry McAuley, the former Sing Sing inmate who founded in NYC the Helping Hand for Men.

It is reputed to have been the first such rescue mission in New York State, a model for an uncountable number of such urban missions that followed across the country and around the world.

The page includes McAuley quotes recounting his experiences of being punished with the pulleys and shower baths, circa 1857.

“The late homicide at Auburn appears to the a natural result of this system. The man More was murdered simply because the punishment he endured was inflicted by subordinates who understood little or nothing about prison discipline, and were animated more by momentary rage than by a philosophical desire to have the prison regulations carried out. They killed him because he resisted and seemed to have threatened them.

 

“A judicious warden would have subdued him without difficulty.

 

“All that remains now to be done is the duty of the District Attorney. An inquest has been held on the body of the negro. Eight men composed the jury, six of whom are said to have been prison contractors. They refused to allow the prison physician to deliver his evidence, as he wished; and found the absurd verdict that the man’s death had been 'hastened' by the use of the shower-bath. It is clear that if any notice is to be taken of this poor convict’s death the District Attorney must move in the matter.

 

“It remains to be seen whether he will do so; or whether the civilization of the State of New York is to be disgraced by the torture and homicide, by State officials, of a poor convict in a State prison.”

1858 Auburn paper quoted

In its Dec. 8, 1858, issue, the New York Times quoted the Auburn Advertiser to the effect that Prison Keeper John T. Baker testified at the Coroner's Inquest into the death of inmate Samuel Moore that the convict had been kept in the shower bath about a half hour to three-quarters of an hour.

A "Dr. Charles A. Van Anden," identified as the prison physician, testified he thought Moore's death was produced by the shower although the doctor had been of the opinion that the inmate could stand three barrels of water properly administered.

"Shower bath at Sing Sing,
circa. 1869."

That's the caption accompanying the above image in the NYCHS extended excerpts presentation of Correctional Association of NY's 150th anniversary history authored by Ilan K. Reich.

Clicking the image accesses the web page on which the illustration appears with an account of the association's campaign to do

"Away with the ... lash, shower-bath, yoke, buck, hooks, and the whole array of degrading and torturing devices, in which the perverse ingenuity of man has been so fertile. Let them go to swell the rubbish of buried barbarisms."

Although the Coroner's Jury cleared the keepers of deliberately or recklessly causing Moore's death, from a cause unknown, the verdict did allow as how his death had been "hastened" by the punishment inflicted.

Contending that "the convict had been showered to death," the Advertiser commented "There was no means of ascertaining the precise quantity" of water used because (a) water from the barrel was being loosed upon the inmate as quickly as the pump could move the water into the barrel and, (b) after the pump broke, pails of near-freezing water from the nearby reservoir were being poured into the barrel and this water then loosed upon the prisoner.

1859 Inspectors' findings:

The Jan. 12, 1859, issue of the New York Times published text from the report of State Prison Inspectors William A. Russell of Salem, Washington County; abolitionist newspaper publisher Wesley Bailey of Utica, Oneida County, and William C. Rhodes of Elmira, Chemung County. It read, in part:

"From all the evidence in the case, we are convinced that Samuel Moore, who was a convict in the Auburn Prison and who died in said Prison on the 2nd day of Decameter 1858, was punished that day for an attempt upon the life of George A. Beady, a foreman in the same shop in the said Prison, and that by reason of said punishment he came to his death; but we find nothing in the evidence to lead us to believe that those who were engaged in the infliction of this punishment intended to commit any act either of recklessness or brutality; and that in any event it was but an error of judgment in the infliction of a punishment which has been sanctioned by the proper authorities for years, but which the results in this case shows may be dangerous in any case as it has been fatal in this. . . .

"Believing as we do that the use of the 'shower bath' as a method of punishment in the prisons of this State is attended in many cases with great danger, even in the hands of men who will exercise the utmost prudence, it is

"The Shower" image above appears on this NYCHS site as part of a "virtual tour" of the 13 photos and illustrations forming the montage card promoting Ron Arons' lecture at Temple Emanu-El, Manhattan, about The Jews of Sing Sing

Clicking the image accesses "The Shower" web page of the virtual tour series. The page includes some historical data about the device.

"Resolved, That from and after this date the use of the shower bath, as a means of punishment in any of the State Prisons of this State, be and the same is hereby prohibited, and they be discontinued and abandoned except under the advice and direction of a physician."

In a last paragraph of their report, the State Prison Inspectors directed the Auburn Prison clerk to send "certified copies of the foregoing resolution" to the clerks of New York's other state prisons "to enter the same in the book of minutes of the Inspectors at their respective prisons, and from henceforth the officers of the several prisons will act in accordance with the foregoing resolution."

That language seems to suggest that the State Prison Inspectors were of a mind that their resolution applied not just to Auburn Prison but to New York's other state prisons as well, whereas the evidence is that shower baths continued for some time thereafter. At Sing Sing in 1860 there were 161 such water punishments were recorded. At Clinton State Prison in 1869, "the cruel torture of showering" accounted for about 30 of the 201 record punishments, according to a report in the Essex County Republican of Aug. 7, 1873.

However by the late 1880s the practice is said to have ceased in the state prison system.

Earlier Versions of 'Shower Bath' Much Milder

Lest the historical record appear all one-sided against the shower bath, some mention needs be made of the point raised by W. David Lewis in his landmark From Newgate to Dannemora: The Rise of the Penitentiary in New York. 1796 - 1848: that prison reformers were, at least initially, divided over use of the "shower bath" as a disciplinary tool.

"Such contrary views stemmed partly from the fact that the shower could be applied in a variety of ways, some of which were more severe than others," Lewis wrote (Page 270). Minus such later aggravating elements as adding ice to the cold water, encircling the inmate's neck with a slow-draining bowl, lengthening the time under the shower, and increasing the force of the water flow, the practice seemed to some prison reform advocates far more humane than the lash for which it was substituted.

Judge John Worth Edmonds.

An image based on the above illustration appears on one of this site's web pages devoted to John N. Miskell's history of Auburn Penitentiary.

The image accompanies biographical notes about Edmonds, one of NY's most important prison reformers.

Also on that web page are details about the use and abuse of the "shower bath" at Auburn Prison.

Click the image above to access the pag

"Administered with moderation and care, the shower could be a mild punishment, . . " Lewis pointed out.

"The period in which it was introduced saw the spread of a popular health fad known as the 'water cure,' and some exponents of showering actually believed it had a therapeutic effect upon the inmates who were subjected to it.

"There was thus no reason for humanitarians to condemn the technique out of hand, especially as it offered a substitute for the whip, and some reformers did not hesitate to endorse it."

Among those not objecting to the device he listed Dorothea Dix, Eliza W. Farnham, John Bigelow and Judge John W. Edmonds, founder of the New York Prison Association which eventually became the Correctional Association of New York.

Although not named by Lewis as voicing belief in the potential of cold shower punishment, properly administered, imparting physical benefits to those undergoing it, Clinton Prison Warden George Troop is quoted to that effect in an 1849 issue of Charles Spear's "The Prisoners' Friend: A Monthly Magazine Devoted to Criminal Reform . . . ."

But not many years after the technique's introduction into the New York prison system April 1842 at Auburn, as a milder alternative to the whip, prison administrators -- banned in 1847 from resorting to the whip at all -- looked to make the "shower bath" a much harsher punishment than what it had been at its NY prison debut.

Lewis commented:

"There was obviously great danger in applying the shower with such severity, as citizens learned in December 1858, when an inmate named Samuel Moore died at Auburn from the effects of the device."

Ample Forewarnings
The above image and its caption are from a woodcut in a guide to 16th Century criminal law practices. In the Project Gutenberg EBook, a link to it accompanies text that explains:

In Paris, for a long time, the water torture was in use [in the criminal law prisons] . . . . A person undergoing it was tied to a board which was supported horizontally on two trestles. By means of a horn, acting as a funnel, and whilst his nose was being pinched, so as to force him to swallow, they slowly poured [about nine pints] of water into his mouth; this was for the ordinary torture. For the extraordinary, double that quantity was poured in. When the torture was ended, the victim was untied, "and taken to be warmed in the kitchen," says the old text.

The guide's assertion that this torture method "was the most easily borne, and the least dangerous" can only be understood in the context of the other tortures described including but not limited to screw-boards, the rack, fire, the wheel, whip, the pillory. flaying, and the iron cage.

Click image to access the Project Gutenberg EBook in which the link to the water torture woodcut facsimile (Fig. 341) appears.

But well before December 1858 New York's citizenry had be given ample forewarning of the severely deleterious dangers posed by that prison disciplinary device.

A legislative committee report, extensively quoted by the New York Times March 1, 1852, included testimony spelling out, in no uncertain terms, the risks involved in allowing keepers a free hand when, how and on whom the water punishment was to be applied.

Auburn Prison physician Dr. Blancard Fosgate declared the shower bath an instrument of torture, "a modification of the water punishments of the Spanish Inquisition, and will as certainly extort truth or falsehood from the sufferer, either to gratify the wishes or confirm the suspicions of a keeper of Auburn prison. . . " He said such showerings had driven some inmates into madness.

Clinton (Dannemora) Prison Inspector Dr. Darius Clark opined that, "Some [inmate] constitutions and temperaments will not admit of this treatment with impunity," and that keepers, as a general rule, were "very bad judges of a subject for a shower bath."

Sing Sing's Dr. William N. Belcher said he believed the shower bath "to be more dangerous than any other mode [of inmate punishment] now in use."

Unfortunately, the events of Dec. 2nd, 1858, at Auburn Prison would prove how dead right the doctors' 1852 assessments of the show bath's dangerousness were.

-- NYCHS webmaster.

Notes:

The Prison Keeper John T. Baker who testified at the 1858 Coroner's Inquest into inmate Samuel Moore's death likely was the Captain John T. Baker of Auburn who organized a Cayuga County company of the 19th Regiment, NY Volunteer Infantry in 1861.

On-line newspaper archival research indicates that the Coroner's Inquest witness identified as the Auburn prison physician, "Dr. Charles A. Van Anden," apparently spelled his name with "E" as his middle initial, not "A." Dr. Charles E. Van Anden resigned his post as Auburn Prison physician (which he had held several years) to accept appointment as Assistant Superintendent of the N.Y. Asylum for Insane Convicts, eventually succeeding Dr. Edward Hall as Superintendent. The Asylum stood within the walls for Auburn prison.

By virtue of the state constitution of 1846, the post of state prison inspector was a statewide elective office. There were three for the state, each serving three years, one elected each year. For example, William C. Rhodes, a "Hard Shell" Democrat, was nominated in 1857 for the post of state prison inspector, elected, and nominated again in 1860. He eventually became agent and warden of Clinton State Prison at Dannemora.

The District Attorney upon whom Harper's Weekly called for action in the death of inmate Samuel Moore was Solomon Giles of Weedsport, one of the anti-slavery founders of the Republican Party in Cayuga County. He later organize a company from the county for the 19th Regiment, NY Volunteer Infantry.

The Cayuga County Coroner in that era was Matthew Sittser of Sennett.

The "Mr. Pilsbury," identified as "the experienced warden of Ward's Island," was Louis Dwight Pilsbury, son and grandson of high-profile prison administrators in New York and Connecticut. He would later become NY's first statewide superintendent of prisons and still later the warden of NYC's Blackwell's Island Penitentiary. For more biographical background, visit the Louis D. Pilsbury web page on our site.

Sing Sing's Dr. William N. Belcher and his father, Dr. Elisha Belcher, were prominent members of the Westchester County Medical Society during the 19th Century.

The excerpts from the 1858 Harper's Weekly article were extracted applying PaperPort’s Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program to Bill Hecht’s 400-dpi scanned images of the publication’s original pages. The uncapitalized spelling of Negro as “negro” and the capitalized spelling of “State” even when not preceded by "New York" are here as they appeared in the 1858 original.

These excerpts omit some but not all of the other NYS prison disciplinary devices discussed and illustrated in the 1858 Harper's Weekly article, its rather gratuitous assertions presuming “white men” relatively better able to withstand the chill of ice cold water than “a negro accustomed to tropical heat,” and its extensive quotations from an 1851 French medical treatise entitled “On the Employment of Water in Surgery” by Alphonse Auguste Amussat of Paris.

The Harper's Weekly article declared the "shower bath" increased in use as a prison punishment after an Auburn inmate "died under the lash" in 1845. However, contrary to the Harper's Weekly dating the year of his death as 1845, the Auburn inmate named Charles Plumb died actually some time after being whipped in January 1846. The convicted felon reportedly had engaged in bizarre behavior both before and after the flogging, destroying various prison articles. These included items in the workshop (pre-flogging) and in his cell (post-flogging). His subsequent death, although officially attributed to "bilious intermitting fever," stirred controversy and fueled the then on-going campaign to ban prison use of the whip entirely. In 1847, the NYS Legislature abolished flogging as a permissible punishment in the state's prisons, authorizing use of the whip only in "defense" against inmate assaults or riot. The 1847 law promoted instead the use of solitary confinement and reduced rations to replace flogging as a disciplinary option.

For design effect and consistency purposes, sepia tint has been added to many of the images on this page. The access icon on the home page is derived from a detail section of the 1858 shower bath illustration on this page. The icon detail was further modified to fit the home page format's space constraints.

Comment by mr1stroke on August 31, 2014 at 1:52pm

@Bombahdrop these days those black women we call those names are so off the hook they have no morals or self respect, thats like calling a retarded black man a n***** when they are doing s*** that dont make no sense destroying them selves and others that is what we call a n*****, theres a different between a n***** and a black man, just like there is a different between a black woman and a thot, these b****** are on face book naked twerking in front of their kids in a dirty apt or just online posting naked pictures talking about how they look so people can comment, and please understand on facebook just about every one has a group such for them and join those group for one day you will see most of those black women you might live next door to or a disgrace , until  a man get to know you we will see you as we see them which means we dont give a damn and that is why you see many of those women are going to so much and they even look confuse like a crazy chicken do not know which way to go

Comment by rashid rourk on August 31, 2014 at 1:52pm

Lucky Hall , if only our people realize this. you're on point with this statement my sister.

"The system has done a great job of pitting us against each other. Some people are still falling prey."   

Comment by mr1stroke on August 31, 2014 at 1:47pm

@Lucky Hall good morning because i just woke up lol, but im mad at them because most of those people have fancy cars money to spend but would not chase a better life and yes my uncle told every one of us people comes from miles away to hustle the system our goal is to do so and i am still hustle anything that America is willing to give to others fro free, like when Obama came out with that bail out package if i would seat and have a conversation and show you how i did and got free money which i invest with no worries you will have your mouth open i have one dream i will collect every dimes that was not pay to my past family for slavery, and also we look down on carribean people because we know the attitude towards us, these people were condition to hate us before they even got to this country and what im telling you i through survey that i shared with other people and one more thing that i did was with the africans who has job at the air port their attitudes when seeing a black person they are changing now but before it was crazy how their think to me its a bunch of niggers who are condition to self destruction because when they meet people like meet they get it worse than a white person, im not saying all are like that, im saying i will be friends with those who are cool but i will never trust none no matter how close we are, people who dont like certain people for what ever reason will turn on you when times are rough just like white people who says they are not racist those black people who believed them find out the hard way when Obama became president as for me i can only get a drink and laugh i will not fall victim of no one 

Comment by Bombahdrop on August 31, 2014 at 12:22pm
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@T.I.G, A friend of mine posted some history of what u said about slavery and the water bucket thing, sad so I take it someone that wanted to bring it back is racist and started it back up and black people doing the s*** not knowing or caring this was a torture method for your kind . also she said the new word Thott was used in slavery, blacks r off the hook calling women thotts. Lol I saw a poster the other day I had to laugh, it had a white chicken on top and supposedly White God pic on the bottom, and it read on top "only God can Judge me" the bottom read "you a Thot" lmao

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